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  Do You Think The Bible Teaches A Trinity As Religions Teach?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i’m not asking whether you believe in the bible.

  i just want your opinion as to whether you think the bible teaches it.

  i don’t, for what it’s worth..

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  The Fall Guy

  Since the Roman Catholic Church originated the formal Trinity doctrine, I feel that they provide the best summary of it:

  "St. Jerome says, in a well-known phrase: "The true profession of the mystery of the Trinity is to own that we do not comprehend it"

  "Moreover, our Lord's words, Matthew 11:27, "No one knoweth the Son, but the Father," seem to declare expressly that the plurality of Persons in the Godhead is a truth entirely beyond the scope of any created intellect. The Fathers supply many passages in which the incomprehensibility of the Divine Nature is affirmed."

  If it's a mystery which is incomprehensible and entirely beyond the scope of all created intellect......
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  JUNE 2019 Watchtower: Higher Education - HQ & Bethels are populated with evil, educated folks!

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how alienated from jehovah and un-christian so many bethelites must be, who finished their higher education and gained their degrees!

  i don't know how they can live with their consciences!.

  pages 6 & 7, pars.

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  How alienated from Jehovah and un-Christian so many Bethelites must be, who finished their higher education and gained their degrees! I don't know how they can live with their consciences!

  Pages 6 & 7, pars. 15 & 16:

  15 A sister who has been in full-time service for over 15 years says: “As a baptized Witness, I had read and heard about the dangers of pursuing university education, but I dismissed such warnings. I thought that the counsel did not apply to me.” What challenges did she face? She admits: “Studying for my courses took so much time and effort that I was too busy to linger in prayer to Jehovah the way I used to, too exhausted to enjoy Bible discussions with others, and too tired to prepare well for the meetings. Thankfully, once I realized that being immersed in higher education was damaging my relationship with Jehovah, I knew I had to stop. And I did.”

  16 What effect did higher education have on this sister’s thinking? She answers: “I am ashamed to admit that the education I pursued taught me to be critical of others, especially my brothers and sisters, to expect too much of them, and to isolate myself from them. It took me a long time to unlearn these lessons. That time in my life showed me just how dangerous it is to ignore the warnings given by our heavenly Father through his organization. Jehovah knew me better than I knew myself. If only I had listened!”

  But all of you higher educated Bethelites didn't listen, did you? Shame on you!!
  
  
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  Fearmongering : The greatest ploy the Watchtower Society uses against its faithful members

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "shortly, within our twentieth century*, the "battle in the day of jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of jerusalem, christendom.

  " (the nations shall know that i am jehovah; 1971; 2nd ed.

  fearmongering or scaremongering is the spreading of frightening and exaggerated rumors of impending danger or the habit or tactic of purposely and needlessly arousing public fear about an issue.

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  @ Mr. Morris, (and active JW's) - Doesn't the Bible say that things will kick off with those who claim to believe the good news being dealt with first?

  (1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgement to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

  @ Mr. Morris, (and active JW's) - If the title "Babylon the Great" allegedly represents all false religion, and BTG is the mother of the prostitutes, then who are the other prostitutes?

  (Revelation 17:5) “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes...

  @ Mr. Morris, (and active JW's) - When Revelation 7:14 talks about "the great tribulation," isn't it contextually referring to the same great tribulation mentioned in the same discussion earlier at Revelation 2:22?
  

  (Revelation 2:22) Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation...

  Doesn't this verse speak of the judgement of the Christian congregations and harmonise with 1 Peter 4:16? Didn't Jesus say that the great tribulation of Matthew 24 would never occur again?
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  Wisdom Needed

  by Solzhenitsyn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  2 things.

  from your experience would you say that capitulation (going along with) and/or enforcement of all the ridiculous rules and sub-minutia (stupid crap: beards, wash the car for sat svc, no tight pants, paint the kh with a 2" brush vs. a 4" brush cause the boe says so) rules are primarily made possible or facilitated by the friendships that are maintained within the borg?

  also, would you say you saw yourself as part of the power structure or subject to it?.

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  Utterly convince yourself that the CCoJW can't possibly be God's organization/people, by comparing many of their doctrines with the Bible. Once you open this cupboard door, other skeletons become far more visible.

  Any mystique and reverential awe of the org and its "faithful slave" will pop like a bubble!

  The more I researched & collated, the greater my freedom became.

  PM on its way.
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  One Liners

  by The Fall Guy in

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  2. humour

  my doctor says that i need to have an operation to fuse the bones in my neck.

  he said that after it's done i'll never look back!.

  alcohol was my father's answer to everything.

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  My doctor says that I need to have an operation to fuse the bones in my neck. He said that after it's done I'll never look back!

  Alcohol was my father's answer to everything. He didn't drink - he was just lousy at quizzes! (Milton Jones)

  I was proud that my dad made a name for himself - although the police called it identity fraud.
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  shunning of those who have "left da troof"

  by resolute Bandicoot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi friends, .

  can somebody please help me locate a recent thread that dealt with shunning of family members and the policy double standard, e.g.

  jw.borg explanation that the family relationship is unchanged and the recent daily text that suggested that we should shun them.. tried searching but could not find it.. thanks rb.

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  @ At 1 hour 13 mins 26 secs – “Jehovah's Witnesses do not use the word 'shun' or 'shunning.' Disfellowshipping literally means “no further spiritual fellowship with the individual. The nature of the relationship then of a disfellowshipped person is not completely shunned, they can still attend the KH etc.; as far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue, with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”

  @ 4 hrs 11 mins 35 secs - “If a JW doesn't agree with certain things, they can walk away and start their own religion – or from within the congregation they can try to share their different thinking with others. Perhaps their beliefs will resonate with others in the congregation.”
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WaR3NkcTko
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  When you were an active JW, did you ever have dealings with a pyramid scheme?

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm not sure why this memory popped up, and i was wondering if any others, when they were still active jw had dealings with a pyramid scheme involving other witnesses in the organization?

  at the time it was 1993, and my husband and i were still newlyweds.

  once in a while, we would attend a neighboring congregation because that was where he grew up, and some of his family was still attending there at the time.

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  When I met my wife-to be, she introduced me to a sister in her congregation who was an agent for Noni. Having found out how much she was paying the sister for the snake-oil, I very quickly got her weaned off it.
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  Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.

  it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.

  (ouch!

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  At Revelation 12:9-12, the angels were told to be glad at Satan's comeuppance, therefore, shouldn't everyone who has been deliberately hurt, abused or damaged by the WTBTS be pleased to witness such a corrupt entity having to suffer in the worst way possible - financially?

  The cult deserves to be pillaged & plundered. Poetic justice.

  
  
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  Need Help - How do I refute this???

  by HappyBlessedFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was talking with my husband about all the things the organization is doing ie.

  hiding pedophiles, lying about what 1914 was etc.

  so his response was that the nation of israel had times when they weren’t doing the right thing, but it was still gods chosen organization.. another topic we were talking about was disfellowshipping.

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  The Fall Guy

  Ask your husband these simple questions:

  "How did you find out that God picked the Bible Students to be His people and Mr. Rutherford and his friends to be the "faithful slave"? Where did you get that information?"
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  Research - Jehovah's Witnesses claim to speak for God, and be his only channel of communication with earth.

  by Deut18_20-22 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i believe that before an active jw will care about all of the incorrect claims and prophecies made by the organization, they first must be shown how the society claims to be speaking directly for god, and revealing truth from god.

  once this can be established, showing them all of the incorrect predictions and changes of doctrine can have an effect (does jehovah make mistakes?

  how can they be speaking for jehovah if they were wrong?

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  Welcome the forum Deut 18

  I'd like to add these to your list:

  w07 1/1 p. 28 par. 11 - "It seems that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today."

  re chap. 20 p. 125 par. 17 - "This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today." (spiritism at HQ?)

  w10 7/15 p. 23 par. 10 - "When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps “the faithful and discreet slave” at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood."